Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 In today's episode, we have a good one for you. Every single church is going to get negative reviews online at some point. And we're going to tell you how we think you should tackle it like a pro. We hope this conversation helps you reach more people and grow. This is the reach right podcast.
Speaker 1 00:00:26 You're listening to the <inaudible> podcast. The show dedicated to helping pastors and church leaders reach people the right way, hosted by me, Thomas Costello. And with me as always is my cohost Ian Hyatt. We're here to help your church see more visitors and grow.
Speaker 0 00:00:53 Hey guys, welcome to the reach right. Cast episode number 57. I am your host Thomas Costello. And with me as always is my cohost Ian Hiatt. What's up Thomas. Hey Ian, how's it going, man? Good to get to connect with you excited about our conversation today. We're going to be talking about it is it's. I told my, my wife about this and she was pretty excited about it, but for our audience, it's how to handle negative church reviews like a pro uh, how to handle negative church reviews like a pro man. This is something that I think every pastor needs to, uh, verse themselves in, uh, because it is going to happen. You're going to get negative views. We were just, uh, before this conversation, we were looking at some of the negative reviews about your church. I think there's a, you know, you guys have lots of reviews and mostly, uh, you know, the vast majority are positive reviews, right? Uh, but there are some naysayers, right? And points.
Speaker 2 00:01:48 There were some funny ones too. The one that just ended with saying ma overall,
Speaker 0 00:01:53 Overall, it's just kind of a man church. And you know, that's the thing is that, um, and we'll kind of get into this and some of the points we're going to talk about here today, but this is so important because negative review reviews, this is something that it seems like in our, in our heads, we understand as pastors that, you know, what other people say, shouldn't really matter that much. And who's going to look at reviews before they go to a church. It's not like a movie, you know, we're not selling a consumer product necessarily. Uh, we're not, you know, I I'm, I'm someone that uses reviews on everything. I'm sure you do too. But you know, we look at reviews on Amazon and we look at reviews before we go to see movies, or, uh, I look at Metacritic to see like a amalgamation of all the reviews and it kind of gives you an overall composite review score. When you look at reviews, kind of crazy that way. I bet a lot of our audience does too. Let us know in the comments, if you use Metacritic or not, I think it's a good way to get a consensus of reviews. But man, if there was a Metacritic where they compiled all the reviews for my church, boy, it would be a, it'd be weird to even consider that. But it's just something I, as much as I dislike having to say this, it's not something we can just ignore. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 00:03:08 Oh, totally agreed. No. And these are vital these days now. More than ever. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:03:12 Yeah. And it's not, again, it's not so much that I care really that much about what one individual person's going to say, because churches have always had people that are, that don't like what they do. I mean, if you're doing the gospel, right, you're going to have people that you offend and it's not like Jesus has ministry would have gotten all rave reviews when he was out there. Right. They killed him. They crucified him for his ministry, right. So it's, it's not like, uh, good reviews are what churches should be aiming for. And the aim of our ministry. Isn't a kit, the community to think that well of us, because they didn't think well of our Lord and savior. But all that being said, I think that, uh, if there's lots of bad reviews or your church, there are real costs to that. There's people that w if, if you see, you know, three different churches, when you're doing a Google search of churches and one has a two-star review and hundreds of reviews, and one has a four and a half star review, well, you're probably going to put some stock in that it'll at least maybe sway you one way or another.
Speaker 0 00:04:11 I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying, that's the reality that we live in. So we ought to probably take it seriously, hence this conversation, trying to help churches deal with some of these issues.
Speaker 2 00:04:23 Yeah, absolutely. No, it's, it's good. It can also hurt you in a search engines, search engine results too, in SEO. So we'll dig into some of those things a little bit. So it's not just what people are thinking about you, it, it can, it can hurt kind of your position online. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:04:39 I think with SEO, uh, really the value is having lots of reviews. So having reviews, and even if they're bad reviews, sometimes they don't really hurt your search. It's just, it hurts more what people see when they search. Right? So if you have, if you have a hundreds of one star reviews where everybody says how much they hate your church, or they'll actually help you get into the, into the rankings, but just, everybody's going to see how bad your church is when they get to those ratings there. So it's not, it probably won't help your, your long-term objectives. I wouldn't say, there you go. Yeah. That's it. So why don't you kick us off, I guess, with, uh, with the first one then?
Speaker 2 00:05:16 Yeah. So, um, so the first thing is here is basically it's, it's normal, right? So just, uh, know that you're going to get a negative review, right. Count on it. Right. So just accept that don't get offended when you get the negative review. Uh, you know, and I'm sure pastors get a phone call. They've been getting phone calls and bad emails and people who've been offended for years. So, you know, treat this the same when you get a negative review online, uh, just kind of accept it. And then that helps you just like with everything else that we deal with in life, once you accept any sort of problem or, or, uh, you know, obstacle or whatever issue, then you kind of know how to deal with it. Right.
Speaker 0 00:06:00 I think, I I'm assuming when we're talking about these to remember it's normal from people that are not part of your church. Like, I can't imagine if someone left like a two-star or a one-star review and then kept coming back every single Sunday to talk about how they kept living, leaving bad reviews or something like that. So if your members are leaving bad reviews, you probably have bigger problems than we can help you with. If people love your church and everything. And you know, you'd probably be, I would encourage your members if, if this happens to be the case, I haven't heard of this, but if you have someone that's still comes every single week, it leaves you bad reviews. You probably ought to talk to them about not publicly making the, uh, the, the strife that they have with your church, a public thing, because they're working against the mission of your church.
Speaker 0 00:06:45 And they're probably not good members, but in general, this is going to be people that maybe were members or they visited, and they're going to leave reviews. And yes, if you've done ministry for any length of time, you will have reviews that start to get negative. Hopefully you'll have more positive ones, but you'll have negative ones. I've shared this before on the podcast. But my favorite review all time at the church I pastored was they wrote, this is the direct quote is hands down the worst mosque I've ever been to. That was the review that they had on there. And so it's something that we, weren't a terrible mosque. I will admit to that. That's something that is true, but you know what? It's like those kinds of things, you're going to get reviews like that. We've had people that got onto our S on to a review sites that they would talk about, um, like some moral failings of just members of our church.
Speaker 0 00:07:34 And they would use that as a platform that would say, like, they let their members sleep around and write these kinds of things. And there's just terrible, terrible stuff where obviously we didn't support or condone that kind of stuff that people associated that with our church, when those things happen. So these things are gonna happen. And I think the quicker you can, you can deal with that. The quicker you can recognize that yes, I'm going to get negative feedback from time to time, the better you'll be able to move on and start to actually deal with it in an appropriate way. So, yeah, I think it's really important.
Speaker 2 00:08:05 That's a good transition for the, uh, the next
Speaker 0 00:08:07 Point. Yeah, absolutely. The second one we'd say is if possible, and this isn't always possible. Usually it isn't, but delete the review. If it's possible to do, if you're alive, you're on a site that lets you delete reviews or delete negative comments or delete negative feedback, just go ahead and do it. Now. Some pastors feel this like commitment to authenticity where they feel like they need to let these bad reviews stay, to make sure everybody gets to be honestly heard in those things. And I get that a little bit, but it's not worth it when it comes to reviews. I mean, people can, can freely share their complaints with me directly, but if they're going to be sharing their complaints about our church or our ministry out in the world, well, I'm going to get rid of that so that it's not basically defaming or doing it's bad now thing, our church.
Speaker 0 00:08:52 And so this is something that if you can do it, it's really good thing to do. Now. There's only a few spots where this happens, like, so on your own Facebook posts, if someone happens to kind of like write in a review, you can usually delete that there. Uh, if you're paying for advertising, I know that something we do at a retreat a lot, and because we do some services that work with Google and people in the church often have problems with Google. And I feel some of those concerns, but they're sure to let us know, like, just this weekend, I don't know. You can't get into too much of the details about some of the stuff you sent to me, but you sent me a review that someone left or a comment on our Facebook page, uh, about, uh, that we were able to delete you. Remember that?
Speaker 2 00:09:33 Yeah. I'm why am I drawing a blank? Um, uh, I'll let you be the bad guy. It
Speaker 0 00:09:37 Was an unpleasant, it was an unpleasant picture that someone sent us of, uh, a feces so that they did just as a little comment to let us know what they thought about our advertising, what that thing right now, how
Speaker 2 00:09:49 Could I forget? Uh, that means I'm just on social media too much, seeing too many bad things, I guess, but, uh, no, uh, but, uh, yeah, that was, uh, that was humorous to us a little bit though. Yeah. And
Speaker 0 00:09:59 We appreciated that. That was, we deleted it probably, obviously you'd like to know you counseled me right away when you saw it before I did. And I went in there and hop it and deleted it all. So it was, uh, it didn't bother us too much and we got a little chuckle out of it. So you don't need to do it again. If you watch this podcast and you wanted to, you know, just give us a rise, you don't need to do that again. We don't like those kinds of pictures in our, in our comments there, but, you know, it's just, it's stuff that happens. And so the more it can be water off the Duck's back, the better off you'll be. What do you have to add to that, Ian?
Speaker 2 00:10:31 No, not, not much. I think that, uh, if I say anything else, that'll lead to one of our other points that's coming up. Uh, but, uh, but yeah, that's, uh, you know, that is definitely deleted if you can. So nothing else to say to that. So moving on to the next one is so, uh, flag the review for consideration. Um, and so, um, this is something I'm a little fuzzy on Thomas that you can educate me. I know that, uh, I've heard of this, but, uh, what are some of the details? What does this do when it's this, this I, in my guess with it, even though I've never had to deal with this personally, was that when you flag it, you're asking Google or whoever, uh, whatever, or if it's Yelp or whatever, uh, to consider maybe removing this comment. Cause they don't always move. You can't always remove it. Right. Is that what it is?
Speaker 0 00:11:16 So like a Yelp comment, you don't have control over like, Hey, if you did, everybody would just have all five star reviews on these places. So you rarely have control to do the first one we mentioned when you don't the best bet is you could probably find some kind of an infraction that they've committed in their comments. So one of the most common ones that I saw at our church is that with Yelp reviews or Google reviews, you're not allowed to mention people by name, uh, who are not like public figures. Uh, so if someone says, Hey, you know, pastor Ed's preaching, uh, it, I didn't like it. That would be okay. But if someone gets in there and said, Hey, I didn't really like the way this specific youth leader in the church, his name is Craig. I don't like the way that he talked to my son.
Speaker 0 00:12:05 And I think he's a jerk. And they're basically personal attacks on people. Those are not allowed on most review sites there. So usually a lot of times these church reviews they'll come down to some kind of a, a personal be for something, some problem the person had with a particular person at church. And you can usually flag those and then there's other violations that people may have. So when you get a negative review, don't just rule out the idea that it has to stay there and maybe consider that, you know, if I flag it and ask, yell, pay, give a second pair of eyes on this, or Hey, Facebook, take a look at this here and see, is this something we have to keep on there? Or does this violate some of your terms or policies in this year? I found that about half of our negative reviews, we could get rid of them that way, or at least have the, if not totally taken off, have them suppressed and have people think that it's a, a, you know, an illegitimate review that goes on there. So yeah, that's a, that's another way that people can do that.
Speaker 2 00:13:00 That's good. Good stuff.
Speaker 0 00:13:02 Yep. I'll get the next one. Uh it's uh, if, if those don't work, if you've, again, you've remembered that it's normal and you tried to delete it and you can't and you tried to flag it and you can't, at that point, you have to respond to the review. Uh, so this is a, sometimes it's a temptation. I find for church leaders to say, you know what, if they, if I can't do it, I'm not going to even bother responding. I'm just going to cut it off. We don't respond. We have no comment on that. So we're not going to make a comment on that. And I think that unless you feel really led by the holy spirit to do something like that, that's probably a bad decision. I think that almost every review needs some kind of a comment that we have a few guidelines we'll share about how you comment to those reviews. Cause that's really important, but don't make the mistake of leaving it because that makes you seem aloof to concerns that people have negative feedback or it makes it seem like you cannot, like you feel like you can't be spoken to in that kind of a way it makes you feel like just a unrelatable, I guess, would be the way that it
Speaker 2 00:14:04 Is. It's kinda funny. You you're, you're also reminding me of a, so a past company, you and I were a part of got a real negative review at one point. And, uh, and when you respond to a review, you can, it actually can, it let's just say the person was irrational and, and, and, you know, let's just say their, their review was false. Uh, and, and, you know, it was when you actually comment, if you comment in a first of all, it shows humility. I think so, especially if it's a bad review, uh, you know, for you being a pilot, let's just say someone didn't like the worship or something at your church should say, Hey, really? Sorry that you didn't like our worship of many of our men, most of our members do. And if it, but we totally can appreciate if you have a different style or, and that, that comes off as, as humbled.
Speaker 2 00:14:54 But when I'm thinking about it, the past company was if someone accused, uh, our company of doing something that they did. And then we came back and said, Hey, sorry, you're frustrated. Um, you know, this is what actually, uh, in a, in a very tactful way. So this is kind of what happened. Here's what we tried to do to remedy that it shows that, that your company or your church in this case, we're talking about churches, you know, that you're real and that you care, like you said, and it shows humility. And often it'll kind of depending on how you respond. I think it'll really kind of, um, it'll, it'll shed light on whether or not that critical review is actually even valid. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:15:32 I think so, too. So I'd actually, to that end, we have a few different, uh, I guess, rules of thumb on how you respond to reviews online. Okay. You gotta get your, this is good. I think it kind of leads us into this next part. So, so I think the first rule is that if you have to, if you can apologize, you probably should apologize. And you did a great example right there, like you gave kind of like an apology when you were talking about someone, if the complaint is, Hey, I thought that their worship was not good or it was too loud or whatever, you know, we've all, we've heard it too quiet, too loud, a to Hemi, to contemporary there's complaints about everything. Right? So if that's someone's complaint, you did it perfectly. Like I don't expect any church. We shouldn't change our worship style because someone online said it was too loud for me, or he was too soft or whatever it is.
Speaker 0 00:16:22 So you offer an apology, which said something like, Hey, I'm really sorry. It didn't connect with you. You know, we recognize our church isn't for everybody. Uh, but we really value that feedback. Thank you for that. You know, that's, that's it, that's the kind of that's, uh, you said, I'm sorry in there. Um, it's not a, yeah. Now there are going to be some times where you are, people are asking for an apology or they're offended. Uh, sometimes it's theological and it's things that you're not sorry for. Uh, maybe I wouldn't recommend saying, I'm sorry, God said that, and now you have to live by head. So I wouldn't recommend going there because that kind of is it breaks one of our further rules, but don't apologize for things that you don't owe an apology for. Right. But if you can equal it out in any way, if you feel like it's something just to, to, to cool, to cool things down, take down the temperature, if you could offer some kind of an apology and just kind of a, uh, an idea about what's behind it, I think that's the right way to go.
Speaker 0 00:17:18 So if you can, at a policy would be good.
Speaker 2 00:17:21 And if you can't, this is a good segue to the next one, offered to have a conversation offline. So, um, that's actually a really good thing to do. Cause that number one, again, goes back to what we were saying earlier. It shows that you care about the person's comment and how they feel, uh, how you negatively impacted them. And, uh, and I think too, it can, it can extinguish further, uh, you know, just like a bad Facebook post that, you know, uh, whether or not it's something angry or political, you know, often you don't want to keep commenting over and over again, because then it gets worse and it gets worse and it gets worse and more people make it worse. So offer to have a conversation offline. I think there's a lot of benefits to that, right? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:18:03 It's a biblical too. I think just, you know, if, if it's between two believers, especially, you know, we don't want to be trashing one another or airing our grievances for the entire world to see these things are going to happen. You're going to have these kinds of disagreements online. And so do your best. I think the way to do it is you should, if you, if, even if you are offering an apology or if you're not, you say, Hey, I really appreciate your concern on this theological issue or your feedback on our worship. Hey, if it's okay with you, I'd love to get some, some more information on this so we can, you know, get your feedback or better serve other people or whatever you would want to say. Uh, and would you mind if I sent you a message offline or would you, would you mind if we could have a call offline because what that does is get us, it stops it right there in its tracks and say, we're not going to have this debate about your issue on the website here.
Speaker 0 00:18:55 So everybody can see it. We're going to take it offline and try to handle it that way, which kind of helps you in the next few. And I'll kind of get into those is the next one. And this is some of these things that are more like subdued, not dues. When it comes to responding to reviews online is, do not criticize the person that's reviewing do not. And you know what, they probably, it, a lot of cases, I I've looked at so many church reviews over the years. In most cases, these people are worthy of criticism, right? The people that are doing the reviewing, we, we looked at some of these from your church today. You know, it's just like the, all they wrote about what had just said, pompous preaching. And it started talking about all the problems someone had with your pastor's preaching.
Speaker 0 00:19:36 And it's just obviously that you don't go and have someone who is right with the Lord. I would think wouldn't go online and write these things about a brother or sister in Christ. They shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff. So they have reason for criticism. But I just want to tell you that that is probably not your best choice to try and levy criticism at them, tell them, well, let's see you get up there and preach better than or something like that. That's just, that's not your, if you're so gifted, why don't you do it?
Speaker 0 00:20:09 Exactly. So there is a temptation. I know some people are just naturally a little bit tending towards hot headedness and you're, I have felt that I felt like when I saw people write things, especially when the reviews are about people that I loved and cared for that were in my church. When I was pastoring, I had leaders within our church or even people that were just members of our church that other people didn't like, and they decided to flame them on our churches, like Facebook page, or like on our, on our Google page basically. And we couldn't get rid of it. And that hurt me. And I want it to snap back at these people and say, man, you know, it's one thing to mess with me. And, but when you're messing with people that, you know, God is, is kind of growing and discipling and working through this stuff here at Hertz. And so I have that temptation to, to lash out. So, uh, reject that don't do that. Don't, don't criticize the reviewer, even though they may be worthy of it. It's not something you should be doing online for sure.
Speaker 2 00:21:09 Yeah. Other one a to not do is our next one, which is to don't debate. Uh, the issue. I kind of alluded to that a little bit when I was giving the social media example, when you get into debating, uh, and even criticizing, but debating and trying to, to prove them wrong and start an argument or a debate, uh, boy, there, there, there goes, you're going to blow up. You're going to get all sorts of, uh, then you're going to get even more negative reviews than you want. And so it just going to start this a unhealthy rabbit trail, just like the Facebook example, I think much like that, uh, is that sometimes it's just good to not debate. Uh, cause then you just don't know what you're getting into and what you're in for.
Speaker 0 00:21:50 Yeah. The, the internet, especially review sites are a bad place for debate. I just think that's probably not a good thing for most churches to get into. We had one, uh, pastor at our church that, uh, he had a full sleeve of tattoos on one side. And you probably know where I'm going with this already, if you've been administry any length of time. So we have him, he isn't covered up when he's preaching. Uh, he has his sleeve exposed. And of course, someone who was taught from a young age that, uh, having tattoos is of the devil and you're not allowed to do that. And then they can quote Leviticus and they miss the interpretation that it was pagan things that they were tattooing on their bodies and not just, uh, they, they weren't tattooing, uh, decorative things or Christian messages on their body like this guy was.
Speaker 0 00:22:34 And so he gets on there and it turned into, he, someone comes in and comments on our, on our Google reviews and says how I would never go to this church again, because they had a pastor who had a tattoos and that's of the devil. And we, some people were attempted to fight back and it went back and forth until it gets to like, to like 30 different, uh, comments on this, all elevating this one star review. And so it's just a bad idea to debate these kinds of things. Again, all these things usually are worthy of debate. If someone says that your music is too loud or too quiet, or you don't have, you have to wordy songs are not wordy enough songs, have the conversation with them just don't do it online because that's not the place for that kind of debate.
Speaker 2 00:23:17 Right now. It just goes back to what we were saying. Try to just offer, to have a conversation offline and see if you can work through it. Yeah. There's more, more than one benefit to doing that. Yeah. And
Speaker 0 00:23:26 The last of the rule of thumb when it comes to the response part is, uh, don't respond more than once. That's another kind of rule is that you, you they'll love you some kind of a complaint or a criticism or something negative. You'll try to give an apology like we've said before and try to take it offline and say, Hey, so basically it's, Hey, I'm really sorry. You felt this way. I'd love to discuss it more. If we can chat online, that would be great either way. Just God bless you. Hope. Uh, your faith journey continues really well somewhere else. Thank you. Thank God. Uh, so that, that's it though. That's all you get to do. They may come back and say, well, yeah, but I, I think that everybody agrees with me that your music was too loud and I want to hear from them. Don't just keep responding to that because all that does again, is it drums up the conversation, it rises it in the search engines and it makes your bad review front and center for people. And we just don't want to have that happen.
Speaker 2 00:24:22 Yeah, no, that's good. Um, nothing more to add to that. That is what it is. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:24:26 That's exactly right. So what do you wrap us up with the last one?
Speaker 2 00:24:31 Ask for positive reviews. So let's end with something positive, right? So we've been talking about the better, it's good to ask for positive reviews. Um, this is going to help you and you have to be a little careful with this, right? So, I mean, it's, uh, it's, you can't just, uh, have like all of your staff, uh, your church staff go on there and, and, and just, you know, Hey, you know, get in there and make positive reviews for our church. So it makes us look better and, and have a higher, uh, rating, a review rating, and then all of that. So, um, it takes a little bit of tactfulness to do this, but yeah. Tell us why this has beneficial to, so,
Speaker 0 00:25:09 Yeah, so there's a couple of things too, as to the way you do it. Um, there are some sites where they encourage it. So Google reviews, Facebook, they, they don't really care too much about who's reviewing. They're more of a volume play. Uh, so Google doesn't police, uh, you know, if you're, uh, if you're the owner of the business reviewing yourself, I don't really recommend that. Like, if you're a pastor and hearing this, don't get on there and say, great preaching. I love pastor. And I guess, you know, cheesy and don't do that joke. It's well played out. So, uh, but there's nothing wrong with asking your members on Google, Facebook to get on there, give a five star review, say something nice about the church. Talk about your experience, give a testimony sites like Yelp are different though. You'll notice that Yelp, they do a lot of filtering of their reviews because restaurants and places have really tried to game the system.
Speaker 0 00:25:58 Uh, most people use Yelp for restaurant reviews. That's probably what they're most known for. And so what started happening early in the days of Yelp is that they'd say, Hey, if you pull out your phone right now and give us a five-star review, we'll give you a free dessert. Uh, so you know, they, all five star reviews has all these restaurants that are gone. So they've really gotten good at trying to make sure that people aren't working the system too much. Uh, and they're really keeping that under wraps they're that way. So, uh, so do it on Google, do it on Facebook. Don't do it on Yelp. Don't ask people, uh, maybe a little bit. You can probably game it if you it's a bad idea to on Sunday morning, say, Hey, everybody in church, get on Yelp and give us reviews because they're going to see what we've got 75 reviews come in.
Speaker 0 00:26:39 And we only had two before today. So that's one of the weird on Google. That's fine on Yelp, ask a person a month or something like that to go in there and leave a review. You'll probably get away with something like that. So now, as for the reason for this, it's, it's partly that, you know, if you have other reviews to balance out any negative reviews, it's good. And usually reviews are, are part of the algorithm is they're going to be displayed sequentially. So the most recent reviews are usually given some kind of preference or some kind of priority. So there'll be on the top of there. So if you get a review that's bad and then you get five other good reviews and they happen to stack in a way where it's four or five good reviews, and then your bad one, people in most, for the most part won't even see that bad review.
Speaker 0 00:27:24 So really the best solution to how to handle bad church reviews is to get lots and lots of good church reviews, because you can't do anything in a lot of cases about the bad ones, right? You can do your best. You can follow these rules we're talking about, but you'll never really get it to go away. The best solution is to get lots and lots of good ones to raise up some of those ratings. And again, I hate that we even have to talk about this in a church. I don't, I don't care whether my church has three and a half or five stars. It shouldn't matter to us, but there is something to be said for people that don't know Jesus that are looking for a church, and they're seeing lots and lots of negativity around certain churches and lots of positivity around other churches. They're going to make decisions based on those kinds of things, because that's all we know because we're in such a review based society right now.
Speaker 2 00:28:11 And if you know that you're a God following church and that, uh, people are coming to know the Lord at your church and, and that there's health there. You want these people looking for reviews too, to give your church a shot. So I think that that sums it up perfectly is that it's, uh, it, it stinks to have to address these things often, but always, like we say, when we're consulting a church, always, you know, at the end of the day, you put yourself in the place of that person looking for help or looking for a church, you know, always err on the side of that person. And it's a huge win and that's uh, and that's that's biblical. Yep.
Speaker 0 00:28:49 Nope. I think that's exactly right. So I hope it's been helpful for you guys, please. No negative reviews on this podcast. Don't, don't go, don't make us have to practice what we preach and try and get you flagged and do that kind of stuff. But we would love it. If you would rate and review and subscribe to this podcast, if it has been helpful to you, we do this each week on Fridays, we come out there and we thank you for being part of our reach, right. Family and listening each and every week. Uh, thanks a lot guys. And uh, we hope to catch you next week.
Speaker 1 00:29:20 Thanks for listening to the reach right podcast. We hope this episode will help you reach people the right way, looking for more resources for your church. Check us out online and reach right studios.com. If this episode has been helpful to you, it would mean the world to us. If you would rate, review and subscribe on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks again for listening. And we'll see you next week. <inaudible>.
